RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA

By Mike Jeknavorian

What’s RaleighIt’s the capitol of North Carolina.  But, as is sometimes the case—think New York City—it’s not the largest city in the state.  Charlotte, at a population of 800,000+, is the largest city in North Carolina.  The population of Raleigh is almost 500,000.

Where is it?  It’s centrally located in the state.  The ocean is about two hours to the east, and the Blue Ridge Mountains and Asheville are about three hours to the west.

How did you get there?  We flew into Raleigh-Durham International Airport.  They also have a new train station called Union Station, as well as a bus station.  Where did you stay?  On the outskirts of the city, about four miles away.  It took about 10 minutes to drive into the city.

What did you see?  Raleigh is known as the City of Oaks, because of its many oak trees.  It’s also affectionately known as the “Smithsonian of the South,” because of its abundance of museums and historical attractions—all of which are free.  We went to the City of Raleigh Museum (a small but interesting museum), The North Carolina Museum of History (affiliated with Smithsonian and gigantic), The North Carolina Museum of Natural Sciences (even bigger than the history museum, and with many dinosaur fossils and working archeology labs), The Historic Yates Mill County Park (home to a historic water-powered mill), and Mordecai Historic Park (which features the birthplace of president Andrew Johnson).  Considering all the free sites, it’s a good city to see on budget.  Parking is also free on the weekend, and one bus line is free all the time.

Where did you eat?  We ate at Beasley’s Chicken + Honey (fabulous), The Pit (it was only OK, despite is 2,500+ reviews on Yelp and four-star rating), and Tacos Y Mariscos Vallarta (good Mexican food).  How was the city?  It’s a neat little city, and you sure can’t beat all the free museums.  Particularly, if you’re into historical sights.

How’s the gay scene?  There’s not much of a gay scene.  Unless we missed something, there’s really only two exclusively gay bars—the Legends nightclub complex, and Flex.  We didn’t go to Legends, but we drove by it at 11:00 p.m. on a Saturday, and it didn’t really look like anyone was inside.  Flex is good.  Flex caters to the more mature, leatherish crowd, but there’s women there, and they also have karaoke nights.  But other than opening at 5:00 p.m. on Sunday, they don’t open until 8:00 p.m.

What was surprising about the city?  That it’s named after Sir Walter Raleigh, of the famed Roanoke Colony, a.k.a., the Lost Colony.  Spooky.  Is it worth going back to?  It seems to be a city that can be experience in two days, three max.  The area has mild weather, so as long as you catch in when the sun it out, you can even experience the parks and trails in the winter.

JEREMY HOBSON

Ubiquitous in Fort Lauderdale’s leather scene at Ramrod’s LeatherWerks and the front desk at Inn Leather, leather man Jeremy Hobson is also know for a 1970s photo.  And it was all about the hair.

PHOTOGRAPH BY SYLVESTER Q.

Where did you grow up?  In Denver.  What do you miss about it there?  The mountains and my family.  How long have you lived in South Florida?  Since 2011.  Why did you move here?  For a change, and for the weather.  What part of South Florida do you live in?  In Middle River.  What do you like most about living here? The ocean, and the gay life.  Where do you hang out in South Florida?  At Ramrod, and at the beach.  What’s your claim-to-fame?  We had a family photo that went viral on the Today Show because of my parent’s matching hairdo’s.  I’m also known for Inn Leather and LeatherWerks at Ramrod.  What’s the weirdest thing the ever happened to you at Leather Inn?  I’m a weirdo, so nothing’s weird to me.  What’s weird to others seems perfectly normal to me.

HOBSON WITH FAMILY, AS SEEN ON THE TODAY SHOW

What’s the kinkiest thing that ever happened at Leather Werks at Ramrod?  I guess the kinkiest thing that I do at the Ramrod is flog customers, although I don’t consider that very kinky.  If God were to take you tomorrow, how would you like to be remembered?  As a nice guy that always looked out for others.  What do you want to live long enough to see?  The world.  Will you ever retire?  Probably not. What’s your favorite movie?  Female Trouble.  What drives you crazy?  People with a sense of entitlement.  Do you have a pet?  I have an English bulldog.  How would you feel if your pet was the master in heaven, and you were the pet?  I’d be loving it.  I’d get to smell and lick any guy I wanted, and lay around all day.  Would you give a kidney to a relative or close friend?  Yes. 

PHOTOGRAPH BY SYLVESTER Q.

What’s the last thing that you looked at online?  The price of a Bitcoin.  What’s the best place that you’ve visited?  Hawaii.  What’s something that you learned in life only when you got older?  That it doesn’t matter what other people think of you.  What did you learn from your parents?  Not much.  Who’s your favorite performer?  Right now, it’s Die Antwoord.  What’s your best characteristic?  I’m non-judgmental.  How do you enjoy spending your time?  Outdoors or having sex.  What celebrity do you have a crush on?  There are too many to count.  Who do you admire?  My brother.  If you could bring one person back from the dead, who would it be?  My brother.  Where would you go in a time machine?  To the future. 

PHOTOGRAPH BY SYLVESTER Q.

What would your last meal be?  Lobster.  What do you worry about?  Money.  What are you afraid of?  Not being able to support myself in old age.  If you were a musical instrument, what would you be?  A standup bass.  Are you more like a sheep or a wolf?  “Woof” (laughs).  What would your autobiography be called?  No Regrets.  What’s on your bucket list?  To travel to Berlin, Amsterdam, Greece and Italy.  What’s your greatest regret in life?  Like I said, I have no regrets.  My life experiences have made me who I am today.  What’s something secretive about you that people don’t know?  I really am a pretty good top.  But shh, don’t tell anyone.  This is Fort Bottomdale.  Where can we see you?  At LeatherWerks in the Ramrod, or at Inn Leather.


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CHER

Cher kicked off the North American portion of her world tour, Here We Go Again, with a stop in Fort Lauderdale this past Saturday

SHADE-O-METER RATING

3 OUTTA 5 WERKS: “NO SHADE, BUT SHE DIDN’T TURN IT OUT”

By Mike Jeknavorian

Who’s Cher?  If you don’t know who she is, I give up.  What’s the BB&T CenterIt’s an indoor sports an entertainment arena in Sunrise, Florida.  It’s holds about 20,000 people.  How was the venue?  State-of-the-art, for the most part.  It’s a nice space.


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How was the parking?  For some reason, our parking was included with the ticket.  If parking isn’t included with the ticket, it costs $30.  They also have “VIP parking,” which is closer to the venue than the regular parking is.  Does the venue serve liquor?  Yes. How were the drinks?  We didn’t get any (if you can believe that).

Does the venue serve food?  Yes.  How was the food?  We didn’t get any.  However, others were eating things around us.  What they were eating looked like carnival food.  Pretzels, fries, etc.   Where were the seats?  Directly to stage-right.  How much were the tickets?  $196.15, which included the Ticketmaster fees, etc.  Was the show sold out?  It sure looked like it.

Was there an opening act?  Yes.  Nile Rodgers & Chic—formerly known simply as, Chic—opened the show.  We didn’t see all of their set, but for what we did see, they were good.  The crowd was certainly into them.  And, although they were restricted to the front of the theater, they still managed to considerably jazz the crowd up.  Particularly so, with their hits, “Le Freak” and “Good Times.”

How was Cher?  Few can claim that at age 72, they’re at the height of their fame.  But with a Broadway musical about her life that’s running, a recent Kennedy Center Honor, and a star-turn in the new Momma Mia movie, Cher likely can.  But those claims will only go so far with the paying public.  To begin, Cher opened the show with her feminist anthem, “Woman’s World,” which was then followed by the disco number, “Strong Enough.”  Miss Sarkisian then delivered a semi-jumbled (despite the monitors in front of her that had captions on them) 10-to-15-minute monologue, where she discussed the premise that “youth is wasted on the young” and how her 40s were some of the best, if not the best, years of her life.  Given that the tour is supporting her new ABBA covers albums, Dancing Queen, Cher did a mid-set ABBA medley that consisted of “Waterloo,” “SOS” and “Fernando.”  But for every couple of numbers that she did, she was almost off-stage for the duration of a number, presumably, getting into another outfit.  If one subtracted all these fillers, it brought the running time down to barely an hour and a half.  The last two numbers were “I Found Someone” and “If I Could Turn Back Time.”  The one encore number was the club-heavy song, “Believe.”

How was the crowd?  A mix of the new and the ancient.  The ones on the floor stood up the whole time.  The others really only stood at the beginning and the end.  What could have improved the show?  First, has anyone that’s Cher’s age ever done a solo-arena tour with full production values?  If not, credit should be given to Cher at least for this assumed title.  The closest that I can think of who’s done anything like that in their 70s is Elton John, but he’s not really solo because he has the band behind him, and his shows don’t have the elaborate sets and costumes.  Nevertheless, with this tour, Cher brought little to the table that was novel.  A possible antidote to this deficit could be an anthological confession-type-show, similar to what Springsteen just did with Springsteen on Broadway.  And the second issue with the show was that there were some sound problems, with intermittent buzzing and loud bass sounds.

What was surprising about the show?  That whoever was the dresser would dare put one of the outfits on crooked.  And it wasn’t just any outfit, but that iconic one from the “I Found Someone” video.  The whole back of it was crooked.  Shame (enter the one who rang the bell from Game of Thrones“walk of shame”)!  The way that Cher ended the show was also strange.  She merely vanished at the end of the finale number without a gesture or saying a word.  And if she even waved goodbye to the crowd, we didn’t see it.    

The BB&T Center is located at 1 Panther Pkwy., in Sunrise, Florida.  The venue is open when there’s an event.    

JUDY GOLD

From fielding queries about raising her sons as homosexuals, to making sure that all of her cash faces in the same direction, to being a piano in a gay bar, it’s all in a day’s work for comic Judy Gold.

PHOTOGRAPH BY ERIC KORENMAN

Where did you grow up?  In Clark, New JerseyWhat do miss about it there?  What do I miss?  Nothing.  Where do you live now?  I live on the Upper West Side of New York City.  What’s special about it there that isn’t common knowledge?  The Upper West Side is home to the city’s four remaining phone booths.  What’s the strangest thing that even happened to you on stage?  I was performing on a RSVP cruise in the main theatre, when the captain came on to say that there was a small fire on board and that everyone should remain in place.  While he was talking about how minor the fire was, he kept having to interrupt himself so he could cough. Then the electricity went out, the generators went on, and I just kept on going and finished the show.  People still stop me to this day to tell me they were there.  It ended up being a great and memorable show!


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Can comics go too far, or does it only come down to if the material is funny or not?  It’s 100 percent about “the funny.”  You can talk about any subversive topic, but it better be funny.  What comic do you admire?  Joan Rivers.  What’s one of the funniest TV shows ever? The OfficeWhat’s harder to handle—an audience member who gets offended and visibly walks out, or one who stares at you with no reaction?  They both suck.  But often times the starer is deaf.  What audience member was the worst so far?  There’s not enough space or time.  What’s your dream role?  Maude.  Which one of your old jobs least prepared you for what you do now?  I’ve been doing stand-up since I was 19-years-old, so I haven’t had that many “job” jobs.  Although, I was a toll collector on the New Jersey Turnpike the summer in between my freshman and sophomore years in college.  I still make sure that all of my cash faces the same direction.

If God were to take you tomorrow, how would you like to be remembered?  As a good mother, kind, funny and honest. Oh, and really thin.  Will you ever retire?  Absolutely not.  What’s the weirdest question that a fan’s asked you?  Whether or not I’ll be raising my kids as homosexuals.  What other celebrity did you act like a “fan” around?  Michelle ObamaWhat do you want to live long enough to see?  Trump in handcuffs.  Oh, and my grandchildren.  What’s your favorite drink?  Strong black coffee.  What’s your most treasured possession?  Memories.  Do you believe in ghosts?  Sometimes.  Either living or dead, who would you love to have lunch with?  My father.  What’s the last thing that you looked at online?  How many phone booths there are on the upper west side.  What’s the best place that you’ve visited?  Israel.

What’s something that you learned in life only when you got older?  To trust your gut.  What did you learn from your parents?  That just because someone has a big house, nice car, and lots of jewelry, doesn’t mean that they have money.  Who’s your favorite performer?  Really…?  Okay, Barbra…  Young, raw, ambitious Barbra.  What’s your best characteristic?  My sense of humor.  What politician don’t you like?  I can’t believe that you’re even asking me this question.  If that person was drowning, would you save them?  Probably, out of guilt.  How do you enjoy spending your time?  Watching my younger son play basketball, eating, reading, eating, tennis, eating, swimming in the ocean, eating, listening to music, eating, and hanging out with my girlfriend and my kids.   Did I mention dining out?  What celebrity do you have a crush on?  You have no idea how jealous my girlfriend can be.

PHOTOGRAPH BY ERIC KORENMAN

Who do you admire?  Ruth Bader GinsburgIf you could bring one person back from the dead, who would it be?  Only one…?  I can’t pick.  But I’d love to see my parents.  Where would you go in a time machine?  To 1920s Berlin.  What would your last meal be?  My mother’s stuffed red cabbage, egg noodles and challah.  What do you worry about?  Everything.  What are you afraid of?  Not being able to speak.  If you were a musical instrument, what would you be?  An upright piano in a gay piano bar. Are you more like a sheep or a wolf?  I’m a sheep in wolf’s clothing.  Who depends on you, and for what?  My sons do, for unconditional love.  Who are you closest with?  My iPhone.  But we spend way too much time together.  What would your autobiography be called?  The Jewish Book of “Why Me?”What’s on your bucket list?  To act on Broadway.  Where can we see you?  On tour or on my website.  I’ll be in Aventura on January 18, and at the Boca Black Box on January 19!

 

 

ADAM BARTA

The world is on fire listening to the single and watching the video for Adam Barta’s smash hit with Tan Mom, “Free 2 Be Me.”  But stars must also keep up their appearances.  You’ll never guess who Barta wants to get lipo from.

PHOTOGRAPH BY SYUJI HONDA

By Mike Jeknavorian

Where did you grow up?  In the Bronx.  I’m New York born and raised!  What do you miss about it there?  I have so many wonderful memories with my mom there.  So, more than anything, I miss our Sunday brunches and shopping trips.  How long have you lived in South Florida?  About two and a half years.  Why did you move here?  Because I have tons of family here, for the warm weather, and for the more relaxed lifestyle.  I’m a senior citizen at heart (laughs).  What part of South Florida do you live in?  Port St. LucieWhat do you like most about living here?  The fact that I can swim in my pool in the middle of January!  What South Florida venue do you miss that’s gone?  The Saint!  That probably dates me (laughs), but it’s where I had my first gay kiss.  Where do you hang out in South Florida?  I love Rosie’s—the “Big Helga” is my favorite appetizer of all time.  Wilton in general is a ton of fun.  Clematis for dinner, or even Jensen Beach in Port St. Lucie. 


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What’s your claim-to-fame?  That depends on who you ask, but it could be as a Billboard chart-topping musician, or as a reality star, or as a guest on the Howard Stern Show!  Which one of your old jobs least prepared you for what you do now?  Doing proposals at IBM.  Who’s your favorite pop star?  Lady Gaga.  Who’s your favorite songwriter?  That’s also Gaga.  If God were to take you tomorrow, how would you like to be remembered?  I would like to tell them I was more than just a great set of boobs.  I was also an incredible pair of legs.  What do you want to live long enough to see?  Myself on my own reality TV franchise.  Will you ever retire?  Yeah, when I’m dead!  What’s the weirdest question that a fan’s asked you?  What my biggest fetish was.  What other celebrity did you act like a “fan” around?  Traci Lords.  Even though we’re friends, she’s an icon!  What’s the last thing that you looked at online?  Tumblr, but not for long.  What’s the best place that you’ve visited?  I love Chicago.  Who would play you in a movie?  Zac Efron, or Fred from Nickelodeon.

What are you superstitious about?  Nothing, really.  I believe in actions more than superstitions.  Do you believe in aliens?  Yes!  And if they ever abduct me, all I ask is that they just give me some lipo before they return me.  What’s the gayest concert that you ever went to?  The Night of a 1,000 Queens.  What’s the most times that you watched a movie or read a book?  I’ve seen the movie Clue probably easily over 100 times.  What’s something that you learned in life only when you got older? Patience.  What did you learn from your parents?  The value of hard work, and to never give up.  Who’s your favorite performer?  RuPaul.  What’s your best characteristic?  My work ethic, my loyalty, and my perseverance.  How do you enjoy spending your time?  With my family, with my boyfriend, and with my friends.  Oh, and eating.  What celebrity do you have a crush on?  Ryan Phillippe.  Who do you admire?  Marti Gould Cummings.  If you could bring one person back from the dead, who would it be?  My mom. 

PHOTOGRAPH BY SYUJI HONDA

Where would you go in a time machine?  To see my mom on a Christmas past.  What would your last meal be?  Ravioli a la vodka.  What do you worry about?  Falling short, and not making money.  What are you afraid of?  Death.  If you were a musical instrument, what would you be?  A rock guitar.  Are you more like a sheep or a wolf?  A wolf in sheep’s clothing.  Who depends on you?  My family and boyfriend.  Who are you closest with?  My boyfriend, my aunts, and my best friends.  What would your autobiography be called?  To Vodka, Thanks For Everything—Adam BartaWhat’s on your bucket list?  Scuba diving.  What’s your greatest regret in life?  Not meeting Gaga when I had the opportunity.  And I had it three times.  What’s something secretive about you that people don’t know?  It wouldn’t be a secret then if I told you! Where can we see you?  You can follow me on Instagram, or you can see me on my website!

 

LADY BUNNY

By all accounts, Lady Bunny is probably the most important living contributor to the art of irreverent drag in the USA.  But despite that, her serious side is less known.  Take a peek at Bunny’s deeper thoughts before her two shows in Wilton Manors this weekend.

PHOTOGRAPH BY STEVEN MENENDEZ

By Mike Jeknavorian 

Where did you grow up?  In Chattanooga, TennesseeWhat do you miss about it there?  Grits…?  My mom’s cooking…?  I don’t miss much, and I haven’t been back in a decade.  It was a stable environment to grow up in, but a little dull for a thrill seeker like me.  Where can you get the best southern food?  You can get it many places here in New York, but they never get the coleslaw right.  I like it with sweet pickle relish, mayonnaise and grated carrots.  Since you’ve been in New York City since 1984, do you consider yourself more a southerner or a New Yorker?  My mom claims that she must be very approachable, since strangers often stop her for directions.  I’m awful with directions, but I must be approachable like mom.  I don’t think that’s a bad thing.  In fact, Southerners are a lot of fun to be with.  Until they get into the voting booth!  I haven’t left New York City since I moved here in 1983, so I’m definitely a New Yorker—but with a Southern twang. 


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Although New York has changed a lot since the 1980s and 1990s, what’s still unique about it that most don’t realize?  It’s one of America’s few walking cities, with an outrageous street scene, and great people-watching.  I’ve always had a theory that passing by all kinds of people is very humanizing.  Every day I pass Muslims, Jews, trans people, handicapped people, straight jocks, homeless and tourists from all over.  Down South, we would get bottles thrown at us from cars as the drivers yelled anti-gay slurs.  Seeing people face-to-face opens your eyes and you realize things like, “Well, she has on a hijab, which I may not fully understand, but she is snatching that video game out of her kid’s hands just like any other mother would.”  What New York venue do you miss that’s gone?  Palladium, The World, Tunnel, Splash, Mars, Building, Limelight, BoyBar, Sound Factory Bar, Sally’s Hideaway and Jackie 60.  There are so many!  When you’re out of drag, where do you hang out in New York to unwind?  At a massage parlor!  Carrying those big wigs on your head, twisted up in girdles, and prancing in heels can really work up some kinks which need to be released regularly.  And no, I’m not talking about a massage with a “happy ending” (laughs).   

PHOTOGRAPH BY STEVEN MENENDEZ

Either living or dead, who’s your favorite New York queen?  Ethyl Eichelberger took her own life decades ago, but she was always so nurturing to others.  She taught me how to put on lashes and was a terrific performer.  She go-go danced on the bar at The Pyramid with the rest of us, but she would also put on original plays which the NY Times would review.  So she also taught us the possibilities of drag outside of nightclubs.  Who’s the most underrated drag performer?  In New York City?  Sugga Pie Koko.  She’s absolutely hysterical, but is sometimes overlooked because she’s not the prettiest.  But in my view, variety is key.  You can have ten glamazons in your cast who look astounding, but the comedy booger-queen can bring the house down in a $10 dress and sneakers.  Other than yourself, who do you think has made the biggest contribution to the art of drag?  Definitely DivineRuPaul is certainly up there.  And Bianca Del Rio is taking things to a whole new level with her sheer talent.  As long as the material is scripted, and not some Michael Richards-type rant, do you think that a comic can go too far?  I like it when comics go far, or I wouldn’t like Bianca!  And my own comedy is very raunchy and not suited for everyone.  But my attitude is that if you don’t like something, don’t watch it.  But don’t try to shut it down.  There’s such a thing as freedom of speech, so we can say whatever we like.  But there may be repercussions. 

PHOTOGRAPH BY STEVEN MENENDEZ

Should Kevin Hart have quit the Oscars?  I’m not a fan of Kevin or the Oscars, so I could care less.  Do I wish Kevin hadn’t made anti-gay slurs?  Sure.  But do I believe in his freedom of speech?  Sure.  The issue with him is that you can’t cross the line and get the big jobs.  Do you think that social media is doing more harm than good?  It’s lovely to share photos with your friends all over the world with a click, and it has many other benefits, like instant marketing.  But social media is like the new nightclub, and now clubs have closed because we keep in touch online.  I do think it’s important to see people face-to-face.  For those who refuse to even speak on the phone, all of their contact is electronic.  I don’t think that that’s healthy.  Who’s your favorite comic?  George Carlin, because he spoke hard truths and somehow made them funny.  Which one of your old jobs least prepared you for what you do now?  I worked at various fast food places and ice cream counters, so none of them were too big a help!  If God were to take you tomorrow, how would you like to be remembered?  As someone who was honest and loved to laugh and dance. 

PHOTOGRAPH BY STEVEN MENENDEZ

What do you want to live long enough to see?  Medicare for all.  Will you ever retire?  It’s doubtful.  I can’t do anything else.  And with my limited skills, the tech world certainly won’t be calling.  What’s the weirdest question that a fan’s asked you? Someone once asked me if I wanted to “hump his stump.”  I asked, “With my pump?”  What other celebrity did you act like a “fan” around?  Patti Labelle!  I couldn’t help it.  What’s the last thing that you looked at online?  Tickets to Puerto Rico, where I’ll vacation after my two gigs at The Pub.  What’s the best place that you’ve visited?  I love Amsterdam.  What’s the last thing that you watched on TV?  TCM.  What’s the craziest thing that you ever did?  Got drunk, lost my keys, and barreled through my window!  I woke up covered in blood.  What’s your favorite book?  Little Me.  What’s the best concert that you ever went to?  My first Patti Labelle concert in New York City.  She was wearing that hairdo ironed up into a crown shape.  Do you still have your childhood blanket or stuffed animal?  No, just some comic books, which my mom is dying to throw away.  What’s something that you learned in life only when you got older?  That high heels screw up your feet, knees, back, and sometimes hips (laughs).  What did you learn from your parents?  That war was usually wrong. 

Who’s your favorite performer?  Still Patti!  What’s your best characteristic?  I’m very loyal to friends. How do you enjoy spending your time?  I’m a news junkie who also loves sex!  What celebrity do you have a crush on?  Colin Kaepernick!  Who do you admire?  Charo.  If you could bring one person back from the dead, who would it be?  I really don’t think in those terms, because I don’t and won’t ever have that ability.  I loved Penny Marshall, though!  Where would you go in a time machine?  To London’s Carnaby Street in the swinging 60s.  What would your last meal be?  Probably fried shrimp!  What do you worry about?  The ignorance that our schools and news are feeding us.  What are you afraid of?  The actions of those who buy whatever they’re sold.  Critical thinking is dying.  If you were a musical instrument, what would you be?  The drums!  Are you more like a sheep or a wolf?  I’m definitely not meek or a follower like a sheep, but I hope that I’m not as aggressive and frightening as a wolf.  Who are you closest with?  My mom.  What would your autobiography be called?  The Lady is a TrampWhat’s on your bucket list?  I’d love to see the pyramids of Egypt before I’m in a diaper.  Where can we see you?  On my website, or live and in person at The Pub on January 4 and January 6.  I can’t wait to be back there!

NEW YEAR’S EVE IN WILTON MANORS 2019

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By Mike Jeknavorian 

New Year’s Eve in Wilton Manors saw many options, including the soft opening of a new piano bar, Club Silver, at the old space for Southern Nights, and $1,000 raffle at Scandals, where patrons got a raffle ticket for each drink that they bought.  Because it was a soft opening, Club Silver didn’t open its doors until about 10:00 p.m., but patrons were waiting to get in an hour before the door opened.